Justice in a person and a city › Objections and Responses

Michael BrenndoerferOctober 22, 20263 min read
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Part 10 of 12Justice and Political Authority
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The following objections concern the dialogue's political restrictions, its Forms, and the analogy that connects city and soul. _Objection 1: Is Plato's ideal city totalitarian?_ The charge is serious. Plato proposes censorship of poetry, communal living for the guardian class, selective breeding, and the "noble lie" (a founding myth designed to secure social harmony). Children of the guardians would be raised collectively, not knowing their biological parents. They raise a question about the scope of the rulers' power over citizens' lives. One defense emphasizes the city's role as a model for investigating justice. That defense has limits: Socrates also considers whether the model can be approximated in practice (Book V, 472c–473e). Moreover, these restrictions apply to the guardian class, who give up private property and family life precisely so they will not be tempted to govern for personal gain. Those restrictions do not apply in the same way to producers. The city nevertheless regulates culture and education, so it would be misleading to assume that producers have modern liberal freedoms. Still, the objection has force. Even as a thought experiment, the *Republic* reveals assumptions about human nature and political order that many find troubling. Socrates assigns political rule to philosophers rather than granting equal governing authority to all citizens. Book VIII calls the constitution of the best city an aristocracy (544e). Whether this is wisdom or arrogance depends on whether you believe genuine expertise in living well is possible and recognizable. _Objection 2: Does the Theory of Forms make sense?_ The distinction between Forms and particular things raises problems within Plato's own dialogues. If the Forms exist in a separate realm, how do we access them? How do physical things "participate" in them? The Third Man Argument (if a Form explains what makes things similar, what explains the similarity between things and the Form?) seems to generate an infinite regress. In the *Parmenides* (132a–b), the character Parmenides presses a regress objection concerning a Form and its instances. But the core insight may survive the metaphysical difficulties. Even if we reject a separate realm of Forms, we might accept that understanding requires grasping something beyond particular instances. To understand justice, we need more than a list of just acts. We need to grasp what makes them just. Whether this "what" is a Platonic Form, an Aristotelian universal, or something else entirely, the question Plato raises remains live. _Objection 3: Is the analogy between soul and city valid?_ The *Republic*'s argument depends on the claim that justice has the same structure in individuals and cities. But cities are composed of many individuals, while souls are unified (or at least differently unified). The motivational parts of a soul are not people or occupations, so a political division does not by itself prove a psychological one. The analogy may be illuminating without being literally true. The analogy initially guides the inquiry. Socrates then offers a distinct argument for divisions within the soul, using conflicting motivations (Book IV, 436b–441c). Whether that argument establishes exactly the three parts he needs remains open to criticism. Consider his example of a thirsty person who nevertheless declines to drink (439b–d). Socrates uses the opposition between desire and refusal to argue for different sources of motivation. The proposal that reason should govern those motives remains an ethical position to evaluate. Whether this vindicates Plato's specific claims is another matter.
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